Rust has topped the "most loved language" category for several years in a row, and that visibility has genuinely helped the language's popularity and adoption. It would be great to keep that streak going this year too.
The survey is fairly long (lots of AI-related questions this time), took me about 20 minutes to complete — but it's worth it, if only to get more representative salary data for Rust developers.
I've participated, but they've really reached the bottom of the barrel this year. Many weird and irrelevant questions. It's mostly about AI and, from what I can see, phishing for information to better position AI products. Last time I'm doing this.
Yes, I hope it helps at least representing Rust more accurately, too, though I doubt their surveys are still taken seriously these days.
I knew that was happening, but had not seen the graph.
I think stackoverflow's question-answer format has been torpedoed by AI.
Interestingly that hasn't happened to the discourse software that power this and many other programming fora - they also have a question-answer element (tick this question off as solved),
but it is less central to the workings of the site(s).
I was talking about the surveys, but it's true that the rate of questions has been dropped dramatically for a while. It's sad; their idea worked so well. Tickling people's ego to answer questions freely and despite such a competitive environment was a great insight. What didn't work so well was the moderating...
I suppose it's in the interest of some of their partners to keep the site active, but it's a strange relationship. It looks like there's a little conflict of interest, even if that's not a direct one.
SO was in decline before LLMs, largely due to the unresolved fundamental tension between being a curated knowledge base and being a site where you can ask questions.
I found it impossible to ask a question there without getting flamed. My questions were never good enough, and it was very bruising. I tried a few times, once spending several hours crafting the question as well as I could, and the result was predictable and very stressful
Stack-overflow was a fantastic read-only resource.
Stackoverflow suffered from being part of the old Internet: "powerful men competing in their genius. If you cannot keep up it is because you are not good enough so stop trying"
It is so much better here. Here has its faults, but there is room for people who do not want to strut their ego.
Not so much Stackoverflow.
Thank you people. Here my stupid questions are respected, when they come from my ignorance. Mostly!
I'm sure AI does not help Stack Overflow. But looking at the numbers we see SO reached its peak in 2013. A steep rate of decline started in 2020. All before use of AI was much of a thing.
What started to annoy me about SO many years ago was that often the answers I found were unsatisfactory. They were old, obsolete information, they were over complex or underperforming, even down right wrong. Yet such crappy answers would be marked up while buried in the list was an actual good answer that was not.
Truly everything was so AI this and that it has made me rot my mind. What is this? This is no Dev Survey, this is "AI usage and dependence survey" and it's sad. I am doing for the sake of Rust's community.
I don't recall when I have ever been presented with such long lists of tools and asked which ones I use or want to use. Almost all none of which I have ever heard of. Where did all that junk come from? At least they did not ask me if I use React.
I clicked on "Cargo" in there somewhere. Any other tools I actually, really need to be aware of?
In that graph, it even seems to have a downtrend since ~2015-2017, though it's less obvious. It definitely capped in 2013-2014, as you said. Perhaps AI was just the last straw, and when they declared they'd use the database to feed AI in 2023 and banned users who opposed it, that must have displeased a lot of users.
I got some pretty good answers, there, and found many others by searching.
I don't consider myself to be living under a rock with regards to technology, but that was a really confusing experience. Just a long list of what my peers are allegedly working with these days, and I hadn't heard of a single one of them.
The cynic in me wonders if that was just a really weird type of ad.
Don't worry, if Stack Overflow is still around next year they will have a totally different list, Well, as long as there is a "cargo" checkbox there we will be good to go,
, but I still can confuses in English... Then...
for a lot of time... But... They won't be acceptable for this platform 